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“It was absolutely gut-wrenching,� Arradondo, 58, recalled in an interview ahead of the fifth anniversary of

What he saw conflicted with what his own people had told him about the deadly encounter, and he knew immediately it would mean changes for his department and city. But he acknowledged he didn't immediately foresee how deeply Floyd's death would reverberate in the U.S. and around the world.

“I served for 32 years," he said. "But there's no doubt May 25th, 2020, is a defining moment for me in my public service career.�

The Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck, pinning him to the pavement outside a convenience store where Floyd had tried to use a counterfeit $20 bill to buy cigarettes. Chauvin maintained the pressure for 9 1/2 minutes despite pleas from onlookers to stop, even after an tried to intervene and another officer said he couldn't find a pulse.

"Remnants of pain and anger"

Arradondo sat for the interview in a public library that was heavily damaged in the unrest that followed Floyd's death. It's on Lake Street, a major artery that saw some of the worst destruction, a street that he says still bears “remnants of the pain and anger of what occurred five years ago.�

Just down the block, there's the empty shell of a police station that was torched during the riots. And within sight is a Target store and a Cub Foods supermarket that were looted. Storefronts remain boarded up. While some businesses were rebuilt, empty lots sit where others did not.

Arradondo still stands by his and Mayor Jacob Frey's decision to abandon the Third Precinct and let it burn. Protesters breached the building, and police — who were spread thin — didn't have the resources to hold it. So he ordered his officers to evacuate.

“During the most significant crisis we’ve ever experienced, arguably in the state, when it’s life or death, I’ve got to go on the side of keeping people alive and safe,� he said.

Police reform

Arradondo subsequently helped of policing in the city police culture and a He in his 2021 murder trial, a that traditionally protects officers from being held accountable for wrongdoing.

Five years on, Arradondo, said he believes law enforcement agencies nationwide have made progress on police accountability — albeit incremental progress — and that police chiefs and sheriffs now move faster to hold officers responsible for egregious misconduct.

Arradondo in 2017, and his elevation was among local African Americans who affectionately called him “Rondo.� But his department had a reputation for being too quick to use force and many were angry about police killing young Black men in Minnesota and beyond.

Arradondo said he wishes he had made more changes to the police department before Floyd was killed.

“I would have pushed harder and sooner at trying to dismantle some of the toxic culture that allowed that indifference to exist that evening, on May 25th, 2020,� he said. “I certainly would have invested more time elevating the voices in our community that had been pleading with police departments for decades to listen to us and change.�

Making amends

Arradondo just published a book, “Chief Rondo: Securing Justice for the Murder of George Floyd,� that explores leadership, justice and race, the broader impacts of policing, and the challenges of working within a flawed system. He closes it with a letter dedicated to

“I never had an opportunity to meet Gianna, but I wanted her to know that, even though I was not out there that evening, at that intersection when her father was pleading for help, that I heard him, and I was going to do everything I could to bring him justice,� he said.

He wanted to say the words that she has not heard from the who were convicted for their roles in George Floyd's death:

“I’m sorry. I’m sorry for your father being taken from you.�